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Canon PowerShot SX10 IS SLR like- Wide angle+ 8GB SDHC+ bag for $339.99 shipped from Newegg

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I'm very interested in this camera.
Specs sound great and the trial handling I got in store was nice too.
Camera is a bit bulky, but this is expected for a 20x zoom (quite small even for such a nice lens).

I'm still on the fence though for 3 reasons:
- cant find any review of the beast and i'd like to know how it performs in low light and how fast is the lest
- its bigger brother, the SX1, comes out end of november (not in the US yet though). Same camera, but a different (CMOS) sensor and allows HD videos (1080p).

Otherwise, great price (retail is $400) with a bundle included.
Another solution for a cheap price is MSN rebate on eBay (25% at the moment). About similar price at the end, but Newegg is definitly more serious.

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great deal! in for 1

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Here is a stat page: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/canon_sx10is.asp

The key figure here is pixel density which affects low light performance (lower is better to keep things simple): 35 MP/cm²
Compared to a Canon Rebel XS: 3.1 MP/cm²
Nikon D40X: 2.7 MP/cm²

Probably not great low light performance. Sure it won't be a DSLR but that is a pretty average stat for most point and shoots. But then again, you're paying almost as much as a DSLR and not getting the compact size of the smaller, cheaper cameras while not having anywhere near the quality of the slightly larger ones. What are you paying for then? The 20x zoom.

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you are getting a 20x super zoom with IS in a semi-compact format.
Sure, as you said, picture quality wont reach any DSLR, but there is no way to GET a DSLR with a 20x zoom for anywhere near that price either. I guess you get what you pay for...

Moreover, you get a fairly nice video function either way (640x480x30fps on the SX10, 1080p on the SX1), so you have a camera + camcorder rolled into one (with MP4 compression for video and possible zoom while filming).

As you said though, the camera will be dependant on the lens and i'd like to see a review to know what to expect of it. Dpreview would be great, but the spec list they have so far is not really helping any...

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I have the S1 and S3. Love both of them. Low light does detract from the picture quality, but that s/b expected. SUPERB for taking action shots at sporting events. You can ZOOM WAY in there , and IS captures it amazingly.
The next step up Is full out SLR's with hefty price tags , when you start to add in the lenses you would need to zoom like this one it would easily be near $700-800. BTW I don't have the S10, but if the VIDEO is as good as my S3 it doubles a good video camera, that you can actually TAKE still photos while shooting a video.

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i have Canon Pro 1 camara its like 3- years old... is this a newer version of it?

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ggrr8t said:I have the S1 and S3. Love both of them. Low light does detract from the picture quality, but that s/b expected. SUPERB for taking action shots at sporting events. You can ZOOM WAY in there , and IS captures it amazingly.
The next step up Is full out SLR's with hefty price tags , when you start to add in the lenses you would need to zoom like this one it would easily be near $700-800. BTW I don't have the S10, but if the VIDEO is as good as my S3 it doubles a good video camera, that you can actually TAKE still photos while shooting a video.

The lens and sensor on this are not anywhere near the quality of a SLR camera. Itreally amazesmethat people can get roped in by the term 'SLR-like' which is essentially meaningless. Basically manufacturers hoping to rope in some sales on people that basically just think it 'looks' like a smaller SLR. This category of cameras is normally called 'megazooms' I believe in the Camera World. They are no better than a pocket cam, just zoom more.

The lenses you'd probably buy for a SLR would be sharper than this and the snesor would do ISO800 at least clean whereas the Canon S-series can't even do ISO200 clean.

Please do not ever mention 'SLR' in a post about a camera like this as it's pointless.

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For the S series fans, this is a big letdown. Manual overrides of the Aperture and Shutter were controlled by a single control button (left and right depress would act on the shutter speed and up/down depress on the aperture). This made it very quick and convenient when choosing the best combination for the shot in association with the EVF. They turned this into a hopelessly difficult affair on this. Now a turn wheel on the bottom right hand corner has to be operated to change shutter settings. Click on another button near the top right hand corner to toggle to aperture control. Then again come back to the turn wheel to change aperture settings. When your eyes are locked in on the EVF, how can you perform these operations ? They carried over this design from the SX100 and SX110 IS.

Also the adapter ring on the lens column is gone, preventing you from tacking on a filter. At least I didn't see one on the body of the SX10 I saw, unless its another complicated new mechanism from Canon.

Their designers ought to be shot for this - seriously, why fiddle around with such user friendliness especially on two controls that are utmost needed for a good shot ?

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lzpoof said:ggrr8t said:I have the S1 and S3. Love both of them. Low light does detract from the picture quality, but that s/b expected. SUPERB for taking action shots at sporting events. You can ZOOM WAY in there , and IS captures it amazingly.
The next step up Is full out SLR's with hefty price tags , when you start to add in the lenses you would need to zoom like this one it would easily be near $700-800. BTW I don't have the S10, but if the VIDEO is as good as my S3 it doubles a good video camera, that you can actually TAKE still photos while shooting a video.


The lens and sensor on this are not anywhere near the quality of a SLR camera. Itreally amazesmethat people can get roped in by the term 'SLR-like' which is essentially meaningless. Basically manufacturers hoping to rope in some sales on people that basically just think it 'looks' like a smaller SLR. This category of cameras is normally called 'megazooms' I believe in the Camera World. They are no better than a pocket cam, just zoom more.

The lenses you'd probably buy for a SLR would be sharper than this and the snesor would do ISO800 at least clean whereas the Canon S-series can't even do ISO200 clean.
Please do not ever mention 'SLR' in a post about a camera like this as it's pointless.

What I thought I mentioned was that even an entry level SLR camera would be near double the price. I also mentioned that this is a VERY good camera. I did NOT say it was in the same class, hence the BIG differance in prices. For an every day all around camera including sport, this camera is about the best you will get in that price range.
This is a VERY nice entry into photography. If you get the "bug" and desire to improve, the next STEP would be all out SLR with its various lenses, mono+tripods. Apparently you have not shot with The canon "S" series. It takes amazing crisp vibrant photos up to about ten zoom, un like other zoom cameras that dissapoint
From a respected review site
"The S3 features a f/2.7-3.5 Canon all-glass 12x zoom lens (36-432mm equivalent in 35mm) that makes tack-sharp long telephoto shooting positively practical. By incorporating a UD (Ultra Low Dispersion) lens into the lens element, the incident of chromatic aberration was reduced. Despite its extensive optical range, the lens is ultra-compact and retracts into the camera when it's powered down".
NOT everyone is interested in spending near a thousand dollars for an SLR setup. For them , this makes perfect point and shoot sense.
And from DPREVIEW...." there is nothing out there that offers the feature set, handling and sheer fun factor of the S3 IS, and so it still - just - keeps hold of our top rating."

The new SX10
"Excellent image quality - the zoom coupled with the Digiac 4 processor and the IS of
the in body really is impresssive. It is impossible to belive that this camera can take pictures that just a few years back requried a 35mm crop sensor SLR. Mucho Bang for the Buck"

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Agreed that the latest crop of superzooms are quite a nice bang for the bucks. They start in wider lenses and offer nice super zooms for the price.
I mean, the latest super zoom lenses for DSLR from canon and nikon offer 11x (compared to 20x here), are actually slower (begin at F3.5 while this is F2.8) and suffer from trade offs (sharpness uneven depending on zoom level and edge) too while being over TWICE the price of this complete camera.

This is the reason I would like to see a serious review of it and an evaluation of that lens. The advantage of a small sensor is that such a lens could even be sharper than a SLR's. It is already brighter while being smaller.

DSLR aren't magic and good glass is expensive. Most kit lenses are actually worse than compact lenses. I'd like to see what canon CMOS sensor can pull in such a small format (in the sx1).

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Frenchy2k1 said: - its bigger brother, the SX1, comes out end of november (not in the US yet though). Same camera, but a different (CMOS) sensor and allows HD videos (1080p).

that's what *i'm* waiting for! i was doing some heavy drooling when i saw the specs for that camera.

i just replaced my S2 IS over the summer with the S5 IS. they're a great line of cameras for the price, and the video is really really good. i want the SX1 badly.

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The attractive thing about this camera (and other similar ones from other brands that have come out recently) is that it has a genuine wide angle lens going down to 28mm - unless all you want to do with the camera is wildlife photography, you will take a lot more photos with the lens at the widest angle than you will at 20x zoom, especially if you are photographing groups of people or always moving children. I picked up a Kodak P880 off eBay last year because although it only has a 5.7x zoom at the long end, it goes down to 24mm on the wide angle side (I believe the widest angle lens ever put on a non-SLR digital camera). I use that extra wide angle constantly, probably 60% of the time I pick the camera up and I've taken many photos of groups of people that included the whole group that I could not have taken with a camera with a 35mm wide angle on its lens.

The HD video on the upcoming SX1 sounds very nice, but I'd look into what sort of file compression Canon will use for that. I haven't paid too much attention since last year, but I remember that Canons tended to eat up memory card space at a greater rate than any other manufacturer's camera in the video mode. I believe that the storage space required for a give video was almost twice as large with Canons as with Kodaks. At a true 1080p resolution, it sounds like you'd have to invest in a bunch of really large SDHC cards, probably at least 16gb, or you'd only end up with a few minutes of video on each card.

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The video limitation used to be true for Canon, but not anymore.
They used Motion-Jpeg for video until the last generation (digic 3 and before).
The SX1/SX10 are using the digic4 processor and Mpeg4 compression in MOV containers (apple quicktime format). Those pack about an hour of video on a 4GB SDHC (for the SX10 at 640x480) and a quarter of that for the SX1 according to what I can find online.
Bitrates indicated (43Mb/s on SX1 manual at full HD) would indicate very good quality or at least lower compression. Samples are on hold until release, on november 30th overseas.

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